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Historie kan være veldig spennende når det blir presentert på riktig måte. Og de gjorde en kjempejobb med Birka. I dag jobber flere med tettere integrasjon med VR/AR - og det er kanskje bare et tidspunkt innen man gjør noe tilsvarende i Birka. Håper du har tatt godt vare på ringen du kjøpte - det er et artig minne å ta med seg.

Jeg har flere VHS bånd stående her med mystisk innhold. Har planlagt å få digitalisert noen flere av dem. Tror det er mye rart som ligger der. Sannsynligvis mer TV Norge, noe tidlig TV2 og Sky Channel. Det får bli et prosjekt en sen vinterkveld!

Humor kan være så mye; men jeg tror mye koker ned til selve personligheten. Leif Juster kommenterte en gang på hvordan humoren har endret seg. Han fortalte at når han kom inn på revyscenen, så kunne han bare stå og se utover salen - og så si "pupp!" - og så lo folk omtrent så de trillet av stolene. Dette var noe som etterhvert endret seg. Humoren ble tidvis mørkere, ironigenerasjonen kom inn (og har forsåvidt forsvunnet igjen). Wesenlund hadde sin glansperiode rett før brytningstiden med den "nye humoren". Med KLM-trioen med sin arbsurde - og visuelle - humor på den ene siden, ble etterhvert avløst av standup som en ny underholdsgenre på den andre siden. Wesenlund hørte ikke hjemme i nyere programkonsepter som f.eks. mandagsklubben/torsdagsklubben - men han ville nok ha fungert bedre i noe slik som nytt på nytt. Men jeg selv synes han var best når han fikk et format som Wesenstund å operere innenfor.

Thanks for the info. I updated the description with the original aired date.

I was 12 😊

Sure - this came from a point in time when PCs were starting to gain traction, but it was difficult to predict just how they might impact society. Gates was pretty good at keeping up to date with transformative technology, but just as with Apple, DEC and several other companies, they had pretty much some hit and miss predictions. Some ideas came to fruition, but the technology was simply not mature enough for most of them. Later on things started to change - in particular with the advent of social media, but there has always been a bunch of obstacles in realizing the potential. Mainly pretty mundance stuff like standardisation issues, privacy regulations, protocols and capacity etc. But this video was a good example of how one could present a vision in a way that mainly car manufaturers used to do.

Heh ... at a somewhat unrelated note; high gravity planets (at least denser than the earth) seems to be the norm along planets in the goldilock zones. So rockplanets with liquid would most likely be the best place to start. I am still waiting for something to nickname one of these exoplanets Huyrule or Zelda. It is just a matter of time, I guess.

Yes - Europa has been on the top of the list of potential candidates for a long time. The moon share many interesting properties with tidal forces most likely heating up salt water in its interior, and many known components for life being present. Of course, a lot of guesswork remains, and there is very little likelyhood one of the planned missions will be able to detect any signs of life. Perhaps the presence of algae could be detected on ice-deposits being pushed up from the deep, but I doubt any of the onboard tools would be able to penetrate far beneath the crust. However, it will be interesting to see what we can gather from the mission.

@@flimmeren I've recently learned that Pluto's moon Charon is very similar to Europa and a large red spot on its icy surface could be organic material, according to nasa

@@SamuelBlack84 we just have to hope that life is really a common thing in the universe, i guess, since if it's not, two planets (or moons as well in this situation i guess) with life in one solar system would be pretty unlikely otherwise. but hoping is enough for me :)

Yes, he has always managed to work with skilled musicians, and is also very entertaining. I have developed a certain fondness for all of those hardworking entertainers and musicians that has gone under the radar. While travelling around visiting even the tiniest venues, they develop their craft. Truth to be told, Jonas Fjeld has been a house hold name for many years, but he is still hard at work up to this day. An extra tidbit: he lives just 15 - 20 km from me. The more you know.

They were cute 🙂

Sure - this is a very interesting topic. One thing is the biochemistry, another thing is how it would impact behaviour mechanism and the ecosystem. Thinking back to the original Cosmos series where Carl Sagan played around with how creatures on a gaseous planet could evolve, how silicate beings could exist, how exotic particles could replace certain macromolecules etc. Well, truth to be told - most of the examples being used ends up being very farfetched and would not stand up to scrutiny since they would be too unstable. However, exchanging carbon with fluor could work, and there is also an option to include more basepairs. RNA do not necessarily have to look like what we are familiar with from terrestial lifeforms etc. Anyway - good luck with following up on this exciting topic!

Machine based life is an extremely interesting topic. Isaac Arthur has had several episodes on this, and I have read about notable scientists that believe machine intelligence will be the next natural evolutionary step for all intelligent beings - unless they kill themself (as according to the fermi paradox formula). In a sense you can say we are already in a transitional phase here on planet earth. Running the risk of sounding a bit like Neil de grasse Tyson; it all started with the invention of writing. Suddenly we had the opportunity to transfer knowledge, thoughts and concepts from one person to another - even across centuries and millenias. Nowadays, the Internet has taken over that function all the while we are using mobile phones as almost extensions of ourself to communicate with other people in real time or checking vidoes of past events. Now - with the ascent of true AI, things will change on a number of levels. Just when that will happen is still uncertain, but the year 2040 has been predicted for a very long time - and I believe that is very realistic if you look at how technology has evolved. Of course - that does not indicate that machine based life would life forever, they would for instance probably be very suseptible to EMP - so cosmic radiation might actually be a big obstacle. However, their worldview and development would be drastically different from any other kind of organisms. So perhaps we will get a kind of answer to your questions within the forseeable future. At least I hope so!

Machine life could potentially live for a very long time as it isn't subject to the shortcomings of organic life

Good catch! That being said, I believe he might also have been thinking of planets with a much more pronounced orbital eccentricity than what the earth experience.

Good point! It being dated make it look a bit more authentic in a way. That being said, if we look aside the from the dramaturgy of the episode, there are a number of other sources one could get for similar content today. Melodysheep has been mentioned several times, but there are many other examples out there. The challenge is however to imagine something that is truly alien. Not only something with tentacles and three eyes - but something that is outside of our experience. What would a being with a very different set of genes look like? How would the ecosystem function? If they had some kind of intelligence - how would it work? This film did make an attempt - but of course, it was still limited by what we know today. But it is as you say - at least we got some aliens!

Definitivt nostalgi. Dette var Kristin Johnson? Fant nettopp også ut at den offisielle yrkestittelen var "programsekretær". Men "hallo-dame" er enklere å huske!

So very true, mine star - the scriptwriter and director did a good job here. That nice little twist made also the program more memorable. It went from a speculative documentary to something that could have been part of the movie "Europa report" (check it out - its one of those hidden gems on the net). Actually, it could have been interesting to see what kind of alternative ecology a computer could generate with todays knowledge. Games like "No man sky" and "Subnautica" try to give some kind of examples. However, I do still find them too bound to rules and expectations from our carbon, G-class sun based ecology. This could be an interesting project for National Geographic to grab hold of. I recall Carl Sagan tried to envision what we could expect to find, and concluded with many of same aspects you can find in this program. Melodysheep did a very good job, though - and I do actually recommend his approach. If you haven't already, check out his "Life Beyond: Museum of Life" video(s).

@@flimmeren i was talking about new spec evo séries and all tomorow geting populare

If I could see one thing in my lifetime, it would be alien life

@@SamuelBlack84 man, you just gave me a nostalgia hit it's insane

Sant det, Saša. Akkurat når jeg skriver denne kommentaren (31. juli 2021), så er det altså nesten nøyaktig 25 år og 11 måneder siden dette programmet ble sendt. Det er mye som skjedd siden den gangen. Noen har gått bort, andre har kommet til. Selv om regner meg for å representere antitesen til nostalgisk, så skvetter man litt når man oppdager hvor mye vann som har rent i havet i løpet av denne tiden.

Ah! Good point - this would have been excellent research material for Melodysheep! Who knows - he might already have checked this out for inspiration. He gives the impression of being very thorough in his preparations. A personal anecdote here; I first came across the term exobiology though the writings of the Finnish professor Nils Mustelin (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Mustelin). His book "Life Among Billions of Stars, Civilizations in the Milky Way and Beyond?" was what opened my eyes for this branch of biology. A lot of things happened during the next few years. Carl Sagan popularised astronomy, biology - and dare I say philosophy? - in Cosmos. And in a brief moment of time, lasting less than a decade, most people were captivated by the world around us. "As an ape in awe before a door" to quote Nightwish. That fascination only lasted just a few years though. We need someone to pick up the mantle. Personally, I do not think Neil deGrasse Tyson really cut it. It think it is the humanism in the science that is somehow lacking. So from that perspective, I would think that Melodysheep in many ways could bring some necessary wonder back into the field. That being said; there is a big difference between being a good communicator and a good scientist. This particular video is an example of how to popularise a topic that otherwise would have been either too esoteric - or more related to old B-monster movies. So I dare say the producers did a pretty good job with this documentary, all things considered.

Heh - the graphics is a bit outdated now. But it is fun to see how they envisioned life might evolve under different circumstances. Exobiology is not a new field by any means - but there was a huge leap from making airbrushed illustrations in dusty textbooks to actually giving life to these concepts. One of the things I think worked well in this documentary is that the filmmakers actually included a kind of story. The ecosystem that was outlined was also very interesting and is probably what I found most intriguing. In some ways I guess you can say this is the true definition of science fiction; it is a story about what might have been if the conditions were somewhat different. The content is fictious biology but based on science.

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Jeg har det på samme måte, sieferswe. Dvs., det er også andre programledere man husker, slik som f.eks. Arne Weise. Hos meg er det alltid naturprogrammer som jeg husker best. Av en eller annen grunn var det også her man fant personlighetene.

Hmmm - jeg tror du tenker på "Birka" av Martin Eriksson fra "Birka the Soundtrack": ruclips.net/video/TQIJVAWMlHU/видео.html . Hele soundtracket til denne episoden er veldig bra - de gjorde en flott jobb med valg av artister og lydbilde!

Flemming Sveen Nepp, snarlikt dock. Lyssna från 01:00 till 01:20, där hör man den tydligt. Och den loopen ljud har fastnat hårt i hjärnan 🧐🤣

Det är E-Type före han hette så, dvs bara Martin Eriksson, son till programledaren Bo G..

@@leiper72 Det stemmer. Dvs. - jeg var ikke klar over at han var sønnen til den godeste herr Bo. Jeg har forøvrig prøvd å finne det lydklippet som David referer til - men selv ikke på Spotify (open.spotify.com/album/1bo5DrKx184novKreud89K) - så det virker som om dette er musikk som har blitt liggende igjen på klipperommet, så og si.

@@flimmeren Martin E-type Eriksson, tillika son till programledaren Bo G Eriksson

Det er noen programledere jeg savner. En annen var Jacob Dahlin. Dette var i folkeopplysningens glansdager!

Jada, dette er den godeste Kari Stokke. Jeg syntes hun dukket opp i det meste som var rundt den tiden som Wesenstund ble spilt inn, men det var nok mer at hun har en lett gjenkjennelig figur og opptreden. Det var vanskelig å ikke bli glad i henne - og det virker som om hun som regel også har veldig god kjemi med de hun samarbeider med. Jeg sjekket Wikipedia og tolker det som om hun er fremdeles aktiv: no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Stokke

You are very welcome, Titanlizard. I am aware the other version that is floating around. So here you go, thanks to the magic of forgotten VHS tapes - and that I finally got around to digitize some of them. These tapes contains a nice mix of old science shows and anime, and looking back at it I guess you can say I was kind of a nerd as a teenager. And still is, I hope. Sorry about the Norwegian subtitles though - there is unfortunately little I can do about that.

@@flimmeren hey, the fact it exists at all is wonderful already, thanks for uploading this

Det var som meg og mine foreldre, Ragnarkisten. Nå var jeg ikke akkurat tenåring i Wesenstunds glansperiode - selv om jeg fremdeles regner perioden mellom 26 og 32 blant mine formative år. Men av alle TV programmer og talkshows som har blitt sendt gjennom tidende er faktisk Wesenstund blant de jeg husker best. Kanskje nettopp pga. du punktene du nevnte der. Programmet dreide seg om samtale, kunnskap og anekdoter. Denne programserien ble laget i en overgangsperiode - ihvertfall i Norge - hvor man beveget seg til mer strømlinjeformede formater. Hvis man kikker tilbake i NRKs arkiver, så er det ikke alt som har stått seg like bra - men TV Norge fikk til noen interessante signaturprogrammer hvor Casino, Reisesjekken og Wesenstund definitivt er de som har satt mest spor etter seg. I dag er det vel Lindmo som har størst mulighet til å ta opp mantelen etter Wesenlund, tror jeg. Andre talkshow verter har en tendens til å bruke for lite tid samtale med den enkelte gjest og ofte mangler den intime atmosfære (ja, jeg ser på deg Skavlan!). Men - alt har selvsagt sin tid. Jeg tror ikke dette formatet ville ha hatt mye sjanse i dag. Det fungerte greit når man ikke hadde så mange kanaler på TV og man fremdeles hadde noen samlende figurer i det norske medialandskapet. Det har vi ikke lenger. Og når både bestemor og bestefar nå bruker tid på å snipe barnebarna i Fortnite istedetfor å nikke gjenkjennende til gode historier fra Rorbua, så kan vi nok trygt si at verden har endret seg.

Well - I guess it is not as much as there are't show such as this any more, but there are less resources put into animating and preparing the content. This particular program was for instance based on exobiology, which can be described as a somewhat speculative science. The concept of how life could evolve based on common building blocks is not exact in any way. Even if we are talking about normal carbon based lifeforms, there is no way of knowing what elements could influence the entire biodiversity and ecosystem. If we then change carbon with for instance silicon or fluor - well, your guess is as good as mine. There are many good RUclips channels that focus science and technology, knowledge and general updates on research being conducted. The trouble is of course that these channels are operating on a shoestring budget and can hardly be classified as professional in any way. Some, like for instance some of the vsauce productions may be semiprofessional - but you will not find the resources that for instance BBC and other large network puts into their productions. And that is the core of the issue, I think. That being said - there are a lot of both fun and interesting productions being made today, but the different channels usually offers a fragmented profile that makes it hard to find anything of interest. Of course National Geographic channel and History Channel are have clearly defined target groups - but usually offers a lot of reruns. So, even though I am critical to certain aspects of RUclips - I do also believe that the ability to search for keywords and find old gems like this show, may be a valuable asset for future users and media archeologists.

Look up "Life Beyond".

Thank you for the tip. If it is the game "Life Beyond" you refers to, then it seems to have been in the works since at leat 2018. I did not find any reference to procedural generation of lifeforms there, but there might be something else planned. If you referred to "Life Beyond" by Melodysheep, then I agree - that is a must-see. Especially now that Episode 3 will be released now in November (I am writing this in September btw.)

There's barely anything science related on TV anymore, just endless recycled crap like Love Island. The whole schedule on every channel is reality garbage

Well, it cost less to produce reality shows. It is only the larger studios that can afford investing in something with such high production costs. Quite frankly, when I want to check out interesting documentaries these days, I rather check out streaming services like CuriosityStream og something from National Geographic. BBC and ITV used to have a lot, but the cost has risen so much that almost everything needs to be coproductions. But in general, the quality science productions seems to have been reduced. You can instead find minor productions, like Being Human on Nebula and similar - but of course, these can not compare to anything like the stuff for instance CBS produce.

Yes, indeed. I do not miss those days, but there are a lot of fun memories to look back on. It was generally speaking a bit more optimistic attitude back then. We all tend to be more jaded today. We kind of expect for technology to proceed at an ever-increasing rate, and is not so easily impressed by neither graphic nor speed. And interestingly enough - I believe we have grown way to lax when trying to overcome technical limitations anymore. At least not on standard platforms. These things are of course different within the IoT field, but I still have beefs with all the people promoting OOP instead of optimizing function calls based on the number of CPI instructions being triggered. But we are now over into nerd territory, so I'll let that rest for now. Anyway - fun memories!

En god hockeysveis går aldri av moten, vet du. Det er akkurat som med grorud-palmen og 80-talls permamenten - den dukker opp når du minst venter det.

Well, I believe he is keeping more or less the ambience from the previous track (which is not included here) while using some of the typical trademarks from Tangerine Dream. That is just my guess though. It may also be his way of "cheating" and fill in gaps with sound, while other sequencers are being triggered. I do of course not know - he has not really put out many videoes where you touches upon these topics.

Det var en morsom måte å engasjere publikum på. Nå var Wesenlund temmelig verbal av seg, og briljerte som regel med sine digresjoner. Dette programmet som jeg fant et opptak av er nok ikke blant hans beste, men viser allikevel ganske godt stemningen og den godlynte tonen som han også hadde med både Kari og sine gjester. Kari Stokke som akkompagnerte med sine lysende øyne, store smil og lett hoppende på piano-krakken økte underholdningsverdien flere hakk. TVNorge var egentlig ganske flinke til å bygge opp slike programposter på den tiden. Interaksjonen mellom Helge Hammerlow-Berg og Lillebror Larsen (?) var et annet slik eksempel. Men det fungerte vel best i Wesenstund, tror jeg. Jeg mener Wesenlund selv definerte dette som et slowtalkshow, og poenget var å la gjestene få lov til å snakke uten å bli avbrutt. Vel - det endte vel mer opp som en konversasjon og ikke som intervju, og den generelt godlynte stemningen var jo også noe av sjarmen. Samt at programmet ikke foregikk i et stort åpen studio, så det ble litt mer intimt. Jeg er usikker på om vi har noe som er sammenlignbart i dag. Hverken Senkveld, Trygdekontoret eller Skavlan har den samme stemningen, Bokbadet og tilsvarende mer temaorienterte programposter har ikke den samme bredden blant gjestene - og er uansett mer intervjuorienterte. Jeg tror Wesenstund var et barn (programpost) av sin tid, hvor sendeflatene var organisert annerledes, budsjettene var en helt annen størrelsesorden, og hvor man ennå ikke var blitt forvent med utenlandsk innhold fra for mange andre kabel-TV kanaler.

Nå for tiden vet fåtallet hvordan de skal skrive, langt mindre snakke.

Nå er det 3 år siden du la inn denne kommentaren, og i dag måtte jeg sjekke hvordan det stod til med henne. Ifølge Wikipedia er hun fremdeles i fin form og full drift. Kari Stokke er en person som man har inntrykket av alltid har vært der. Hun er jo unektelig en personlighet, og skiller seg ut på en positiv måte. Vi får håpe vi vil ha glede av henne i mange flere år (for ordens skyld: i skrivende stund er hun 73).

KEBU does a very good job here for a number of reasons; the arrangement is very accurate and the soundscape is close to the original (allthough there is nothing wrong with person interpretations). Furthermore - from what I can see, he is using several analogue synths that at times can be moody - at least when they are at the road and all this is controlled with either midi or timed with pulses which can be pretty tongue in cheek. Also - even if he is using a lot of sequencers here, it is still a live performance - and there is no doubt he is very skilled at juggling all the different settings and triggering the necessary presents. Darn impressive work! Kudos to KEBU.